Winning and Losing at the Same Time

What does a guitar lesson have to do with corporate accountability? More than you'd think.

In this episode, Renay sits down with Andrew Winston — author of Net Positive, TEDx speaker, and one of the most clear-eyed voices on sustainable business — for a conversation that travels from music theory to quantum physics to what it actually costs a leader to stay silent right now.

Andrew has spent decades trying to get companies to see themselves differently. But beneath the climate strategy and the ESG frameworks, he'll tell you what he's really working on is narrative — the story that says the purpose of business is profit, full stop, and that the purpose of a career is making as much money as you can. He thinks that story is broken. And he thinks the silence of business leaders in the current moment is not neutral — it's a choice, and it carries a cost.

They cover: why collective courage may be the only path forward when individual leaders are afraid to move first. Why empathy is under deliberate attack — and why that should alarm anyone paying attention. What AI war gaming simulations reveal about the danger of removing humans from consequential decisions. And why Andrew believes we are, simultaneously, winning and losing

This is not a sustainability conversation. It's a conversation about what it takes to stay human, stay honest, and stay in the work when the pressure to go quiet is everywhere.

MEET THE SPEAKERS

Andrew Winston

Andrew Winston is a globally-recognized expert on megatrends, sustainable business, and how to build companies that profit by contributing to a thriving world. He was ranked #1 on the Thinkers50 list of the most influential management thinkers in the world. Andrew’s books on strategy – including Green to Gold, The Big Pivot, and Net Positive, which was co-authored with legendary CEO Paul Polman – have sold well over a quarter million copies in 15 languages. The Financial Times selected Net Positive as one of the Best Business Books of the Year. Andrew writes regularly for the Harvard Business Review and MIT Sloan Management Review. His views on strategy have been sought after by many of the planet’s leading companies, including 3M, DuPont, J&J, Kimberly Clark, Marriott, PepsiCo, and Unilever. Andrew is a dynamic and inspiring speaker, reaching audiences of thousands at executive meetings globally. He received degrees in economics, business, and environmental management from Princeton, Columbia, and Yale.

J. Renay Loper

Renay is a Clinical Faculty in Organizational Leadership for the Bard MBA in Sustainability, where she focuses on justice-centered transformation in the workplace. Previously, she was the Vice President of Program Innovation at PYXERA Global where she served on the Executive Leadership Team, led five country offices, drove the development of new business and programs, co-led the organization's work on inclusive circular cities, and advised corporate clients on their social impact strategies. Renay also led the organization’s ARC (Antiracist Collective) initiatives, which included internal and external efforts toward dismantling unjust systems. To this end, Renay created Rhetoric to Action, a series of conversations to bridge sectors toward collective action around social and racial justice.

Prior to PYXERA Global, Renay led the grassroots exchange and education grant portfolio at the Japan Foundation Center for Global Partnership, and has served in a variety of leadership roles in higher education, nonprofit, and business prior to that. Renay is an avid speaker and facilitator, has authored and edited numerous publications, including a resource journal, Student Affairs Professionals Cultivating Campus Climates Inclusive of International Students (Jossey Bass). Renay serves on the board of directors of nonprofits including Community Change, Harpswell Foundation, and Girl Rising.